M$ Get the facts is upon us yet again...*sic*

[Ad1tya]

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@ Super, Hes just pissy because it takes M$ 100 tries at marketing to finally get one right .

@ Monty, never mind re. Hes a guy who has a mindblock against all apple products just to "stand out" of the crowd. Acceptable really, because people want to be noticed, and your giving him attention ...

I used to hate Apple products too, I still dont like the iPod Classic, iPod Nano, etc. mainly due to the piss poor audio quality, but other than that. Since the iPhone, I have opened up to Apple .

[montylee]

@Adi i am enjoying this conversation i still need to reply regarding his XBOX360 post

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by montylee well if u consider it shit it doesn't mean it's shit. Everyone in my office in US has a macbook and i seldom see ppl using windows. I don't think u have used Mac much or even iPhone still u criticize it with all ur heart. And every time Microsoft releases something u say without even thinking once, now that's the problem.

Well mate ... i have used both mac and iPhone .. but why i chose not to use them regularly is that i hate Apple. Now when you hate a company, the normal course of action would be not to use it instead of maintaining double standards.

You all hate MS and yet use to to the core. And don't come with the stupid excuse that games u use it as games run on it. Send a petition to Apple to make games run on MAC and till then just be on mac without games. You people use what you despise .. sheesh ....

Originally Posted by montylee You bought ur Oakley for nearly $400 (or whatever amount), it means shit to a lot of ppl. It doesn't make u a moron though...it's ur personal choice and u r happy with it and that's what matters.

Kindly stick to the Topic .. no idea where the Oakley's popped in from.

[Superfrag]

haha, reading the posts, aragorn is doing wat ad1 was doing when he was trying to fight for apple, the same damn thing is happening..

[das_vicky]

I used Mac for sometime, that too because it allowed Windows on it. I tried to force myself to use OSx for sometime, but could not. Windows anyways is a clear leader in Platforms for many years now. I need not talk about SQL Server. Many people say its the largest used RDBMS because its cheap. If thats the case then what do have to people say about other free softwares. Couple of places, where I see people using free software and being happy are VLC player and Mozilla..(Now dont jump on me saying I use Li#$x and am happy. My neighbour doesnt use computer and is happy...so??)

Now that google is on top you can start seeing the impact (negative). So many people startinn to point fingers at google. Yesterday I read (some big gun) comparing Google to Electronic vampire, evil, so on and so forth. Who ever on top is going to be the target. So does MS despite its great products.

Moreover I dont think Xbox 360 or Zune is beaten as it is portrayed in this thread.

Fact is, nerds making software (Open source) would be liked by nerds (mostly). But for common people like me (who are not nerds) we need softwares that are simple to use and charming to use.

[ManISinJpr]

Well this is where Aragorn was mistaken, there is something like iShit but the name is different. it is iTurd
here is the link Apple’s Steve Jobs does it again — the iTurd « Dawn of the Almost Dead
Second is Please name the innovations Apple has done...
I didnt get the bolded text, can you explain please.
Thirdly, there is a bigger world out of your office my friend. just look out the window..I think you need exposure..read the story of KoopMandook in Indian panctantra..if not read it.

Originally Posted by montylee well if u consider it shit it doesn't mean it's shit. Everyone in my office in US has a macbook and i seldom see ppl using windows. I don't think u have used Mac much or even iPhone still u criticize it with all ur heart. And every time Microsoft releases something u say without even thinking once, now that's the problem. You bought ur Oakley for nearly $400 (or whatever amount), it means shit to a lot of ppl. It doesn't make u a moron though...it's ur personal choice and u r happy with it and that's what matters. The problem with some ppl r that their eyes and mind r closed and they fail to listen to even valid points. Edit: Apple is not at all better than MS. Apple loots customers by selling stuff at such a high price but atleast they r innovating. They single handidly changed by mobile world by releasing iPhone and now age old mobile companies r trying to copy Apple.

I have been also using Mac for a very long time, but they will not understand, eve much before the time when they were running with candies an lollies..
I follow the same theory now. I dont use a companies product if I dont like it. ( but I experiment, a little ) and as for games, there will never be a time when apple will let the games run at the same speed as MS..even then they say MS is slow...such an innovative company couldnt even make an os that runs games. (what innovation )
They will never understand. Leave it Aragorn.

Originally Posted by Aragorn Well mate ... i have used both mac and iPhone .. but why i chose not to use them regularly is that i hate Apple. Now when you hate a company, the normal course of action would be not to use it instead of maintaining double standards. You all hate MS and yet use to to the core. And don't come with the stupid excuse that games u use it as games run on it. Send a petition to Apple to make games run on MAC and till then just be on mac without games. You people use what you despise .. sheesh .... Kindly stick to the Topic .. no idea where the Oakley's popped in from.

Well said to the points mentioned in bold.
Well Making a 8th grade guy in a village learn computer and getting him just enough skills sothat he can work in a office as an office assistant or clerk, that is what MS does best...I have seen it with my own eyes. with a NGO.
Secondly Google is and always was evil, no no it does not kill guys and drinks their blood but it is secretly storing everything that people are feeding it, it even reads through the emails. I wont ever use it for private or business emails...ever.
The sales figures of the Xbox360 and the Zune speak for themselves, if somebody cant see them then they are totally ignorant or biased...
Fourthly, yes that is what is needed. choices of softwares that one can use to get his work done..with Apple, my friend couldn't even use the full 8 Gigs of ram he installed in his Mac Pro as it was not supported ( apple Pshop being able to run on 32 bit only, and then they have the balls to say that they innovate..MS had a 64 bit os since I dont know how long? )

Originally Posted by das_vicky I used Mac for sometime, that too because it allowed Windows on it. I tried to force myself to use OSx for sometime, but could not. Windows anyways is a clear leader in Platforms for many years now. I need not talk about SQL Server. Many people say its the largest used RDBMS because its cheap. If thats the case then what do have to people say about other free softwares. Couple of places, where I see people using free software and being happy are VLC player and Mozilla..(Now dont jump on me saying I use Li#$x and am happy. My neighbour doesnt use computer and is happy...so??) Now that google is on top you can start seeing the impact (negative). So many people startinn to point fingers at google. Yesterday I read (some big gun) comparing Google to Electronic vampire, evil, so on and so forth. Who ever on top is going to be the target. So does MS despite its great products. Moreover I dont think Xbox 360 or Zune is beaten as it is portrayed in this thread. Fact is, nerds making software (Open source) would be liked by nerds (mostly). But for common people like me (who are not nerds) we need softwares that are simple to use and charming to use.

[blufox]

Originally Posted by das_vicky I used Mac for sometime, that too because it allowed Windows on it. I tried to force myself to use OSx for sometime, but could not. Windows anyways is a clear leader in Platforms for many years now. I need not talk about SQL Server. Many people say its the largest used RDBMS because its cheap. If thats the case then what do have to people say about other free softwares. Couple of places, where I see people using free software and being happy are VLC player and Mozilla..(Now dont jump on me saying I use Li#$x and am happy. My neighbour doesnt use computer and is happy...so??) Now that google is on top you can start seeing the impact (negative). So many people startinn to point fingers at google. Yesterday I read (some big gun) comparing Google to Electronic vampire, evil, so on and so forth. Who ever on top is going to be the target. So does MS despite its great products. Moreover I dont think Xbox 360 or Zune is beaten as it is portrayed in this thread. Fact is, nerds making software (Open source) would be liked by nerds (mostly). But for common people like me (who are not nerds) we need softwares that are simple to use and charming to use.

Your definition of nerd does matches with people who you can actually call nerd.
A nerd or a geek can be someone who just uses technology, not limited to computers.

And your perception that such nerds only like software written by nerds is outcome of your own perception, which you seem to have formed because you have seen people bashing M$ who predominantly use FOSS.

Do not worry about what many people say. Did you use MS SQL server, if yes then I ll take your statement with respect. Using MS SQL for being cheap is no reason to use it. Security and scalability are much more important than cheapness. And trust me enterprise market takes it very seriously.

In what I came to know, Oracle is a tank, which is difficult to drive but it still pwns everything out there.

I have one of my very good friends at M$.

Here is a small story from him to refute your zune claim.

I see his emails from M$ technical staff on various mailing lists and trust me they do not live in a world of denial as some people live about M$. They are really smart people who admit that they were amazed by iPod, Chrome and Linux. I once found an interesting thread on their Algorithm mailing list, where a researcher ranted on how good was iPod at doing what it does and where Zune su(ked.He basically gave all HCI fundas along with some technical details. Plus last i checked Zune Vs iPod sales figures on Amazon they were overwhelmingly in Apple's favour. If this has changed so drastically then I must be really outdated for sure.
And no I do not love Apple, so please spare the stick for someone else .

Also, one of M$ researched gave a really nice description of how Linux kernel manages CPUs in ranges of > 1000, very beautifully. He was actually studying the Linux kernel when he came to know that there is literally no Windows cluster in worlds top 100 Supercomputers.

I think they are really smart people but they do not drive the company.

I remember reading an article where major M$ shareholder seeked explaination from M$ management on despite spending more than 8 billion $$ in R&D everywhere why can't they produce products like Apple, which spends 1/8th of that amount. How much this is true can be disputed. Feel free to dispute.

I ll give Xbox rant to you because I liked the Cell architecture for technical reasons.No idea how Xbox performs as compared to PS3.

[ManISinJpr]

This is all stuff that is not of any ue to the majority of cunsumers in the world.
How many desktops does Linux runs on?
How many desktops does Apple runs on?
Does it matter?
Yes it does..
Will it change in future..NO
As Linux when it tries to become pretty like its contemporary OSes looses all its advantage...( it becomes a resource hog.._
Have you seen people working on the command prompt in Win server environments, Well I have and its fast.
these points are moot when youconsider the points I have mentioned inmy last post.
also take into consideration that I am a Linux user (Ubuntu is good, very good and free too)
I like to experiment and such stuff. but the same cannot be said of majority, they are just people who are not profficient with the inner workings of an OS.
and they are the market...
Rest later.

[blufox]

>As Linux when it tries to become pretty like its contemporary OSes looses all its advantage...( it becomes a >resource hog.._

Linux is not a resource hog when it comes to prettiness as compared to Windows.
It beats pants out of Windows anyday if you set Windows resource usage as a reference.

And yes I know what I am saying.

Agreed Linux/Mac may not be as popular as Windows.

>they are just people who are not profficient with the inner workings of an OS
No, it is not about people who know inner voodoo of an OS , I agree. But they cannot anyway tell you the difference.

>Will it change in future..NO
Yes it may change in future too.
Have a look at market share of MacOS which has risen sharply at expense of Windows share. Don't even talk about Linux because it is very less .

[Aragorn]

^ After windows 7 ... things will again change .. Mac OS share will again go down .. .

[ManISinJpr]

Read this...UX Evangelist: Windows 7 on a Dinosaur!
then tell me if KDE 4 can run like this...
Sometimes I think Pradeep that you are just here to make a point . which is negative. remove the negativity from your psyche and then you will see the truth. dont be preconceived and judgmental.
Yes about the point I highlighted, these same people are the main buyers of computers, it is not people like you or me..we are just a very small part of the whole system.
Mac OS share rose sharply as it is so small, I think you have heard about penny stocks..they rise and fall more than the real Blue chip shares but are in no way a threat to the Blue chips...they come, they rise and they vanish..read between the lines.
Apple is an older company than MS and still does not have a significant market share, is it not a joke?
Maybe its rise is aligned to the rise of the new rich guys...like you or others who have to look different in any way possible.

Originally Posted by rautela >As Linux when it tries to become pretty like its contemporary OSes looses all its advantage...( it becomes a >resource hog.._ Linux is not a resource hog when it comes to prettiness as compared to Windows. It beats pants out of Windows anyday if you set Windows resource usage as a reference. And yes I know what I am saying. Agreed Linux/Mac may not be as popular as Windows. >they are just people who are not profficient with the inner workings of an OS No, it is not about people who know inner voodoo of an OS , I agree. But they cannot anyway tell you the difference. >Will it change in future..NO Yes it may change in future too. Have a look at market share of MacOS which has risen sharply at expense of Windows share. Don't even talk about Linux because it is very less .

[das_vicky]

Originally Posted by rautela Your definition of nerd does matches with people who you can actually call nerd. A nerd or a geek can be someone who just uses technology, not limited to computers. And your perception that such nerds only like software written by nerds is outcome of your own perception, which you seem to have formed because you have seen people bashing M$ who predominantly use FOSS. Do not worry about what many people say. Did you use MS SQL server, if yes then I ll take your statement with respect. Using MS SQL for being cheap is no reason to use it. Security and scalability are much more important than cheapness. And trust me enterprise market takes it very seriously. In what I came to know, Oracle is a tank, which is difficult to drive but it still pwns everything out there. I have one of my very good friends at M$. Here is a small story from him to refute your zune claim. I see his emails from M$ technical staff on various mailing lists and trust me they do not live in a world of denial as some people live about M$. They are really smart people who admit that they were amazed by iPod, Chrome and Linux. I once found an interesting thread on their Algorithm mailing list, where a researcher ranted on how good was iPod at doing what it does and where Zune su(ked.He basically gave all HCI fundas along with some technical details. Plus last i checked Zune Vs iPod sales figures on Amazon they were overwhelmingly in Apple's favour. If this has changed so drastically then I must be really outdated for sure. And no I do not love Apple, so please spare the stick for someone else . Also, one of M$ researched gave a really nice description of how Linux kernel manages CPUs in ranges of > 1000, very beautifully. He was actually studying the Linux kernel when he came to know that there is literally no Windows cluster in worlds top 100 Supercomputers. I think they are really smart people but they do not drive the company. I remember reading an article where major M$ shareholder seeked explaination from M$ management on despite spending more than 8 billion $$ in R&D everywhere why can't they produce products like Apple, which spends 1/8th of that amount. How much this is true can be disputed. Feel free to dispute. I ll give Xbox rant to you because I liked the Cell architecture for technical reasons.No idea how Xbox performs as compared to PS3.

I work in M$ and I may know SQL and its internal working (not T-SQL) more than anyone here in this forum..

I fairly believe Open source has more power than any Inc. But too many cooks would eventually spoil the broth. Energy would not be channeled properly.

Its come down to who does it best, not who started or who innovated.

[blufox]

@Manish : This shows you do not even care to read posts.

You are saying that KDE4 is the only desktop env linux has? In fact it is not even the major desktop env, it is Gnome period.
Didn't i mention in one of my previous posts that KDE4 is vista of Linux? Did you care to read or just kept on single mission on not taking criticism positively, Manish.

Please bring me numbers and I think you are too opinionated, refusing to budge.
I am just here to make debate fruitful not to nitpick your grossly misjudged notions.

[blufox]

Originally Posted by das_vicky I work in M$ and I may know SQL and its internal working (not T-SQL) more than anyone here in this forum.. I fairly believe Open source has more power than any Inc. But too many cooks would eventually spoil the broth. Energy would not be channeled properly. Its come down to who does it best, not who started or who innovated.

Who markets it best, thats the crux you mean?

[ManISinJpr]

^^ Pradeep, we have left the topic way behind brother.
Let it be.
I will NEVER agree to your hate and you will agree to my POV..lets give it up.
I wish you all the best..
Gnome is better but not a very good alternative.
To me who has been into computers for the last 20 or so years, it is still bewildering.
Let peace prevail. I talk better than I type..so when we will meet then we will talk.