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Old 26-09-11   #1
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Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot




Linux Red Hat Engineers are ringing alarm bells that that upcoming secure boot features in PC's will make it impossible to install Linux on Windows 8 certified systems.

The UEFI Bios specifications are designed to offer faster boot times and improved security over current BIOS ROM systems. Secure boot would allow only digitally signed OS loaders to load. This security feature could prevent the installation of generic copies of Linux or FreeBSD as well as preventing rootlet exploitations and other boot-time malware from running.

More details, allegations and denials here : Red Hat engineer renews attack on Windows 8-certified secure boot ? The Register
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

Buddy Vijay, I would appreciate it if the word 'Jihad' is not overstretched here. It means to fight oneself against their own desires and habits, not to fight another person or an army. Hence, I request you to change the word to something more appropriate in the context.
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

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Buddy Vijay, I would appreciate it if the word 'Jihad' is not overstretched here. It means to fight oneself against their own desires and habits, not to fight another person or an army. Hence, I request you to change the word to something more appropriate in the context.
Yes, the "Higher jihad" is a struggle to make oneself better but the "lower Jihad" is struggle not against onself but other unbelievers. (Open source unbelievers in this case).
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

I am seriously against this secure rom.
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

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Buddy Vijay, I would appreciate it if the word 'Jihad' is not overstretched here. It means to fight oneself against their own desires and habits, not to fight another person or an army. Hence, I request you to change the word to something more appropriate in the context.
errr....you missed the context completely....
on topic:
the secure loading is supposed to stop malwares basically....right? AFAIK digitally signing is not too hard so i think this will be hacked easily....and some manufacturer will release BIOS with the options unlocked
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

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Secure boot would allow only digitally signed OS loaders to load. This security feature could prevent the installation of generic copies of Linux or FreeBSD as well as preventing rootlet exploitations and other boot-time malware from running.
I doubt creating faux digital signatures would be so difficult.
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

This hardly matters. Most of us here are power users and would like to have the option of installing another OS on our systems, but majority of the purchasers don't particularly care. They just want a system that works.
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

This would mostly affect only the OEM PC market, HP, Dell, Lenovo PC etc.. Motherboard manufactures wouldn't dare force enthusiast PC market users with such restrictions when they have been opening up more motherboard controls to users over the past several years. Even if they implement this, motherboard manufactures will be forced to have a disable option/jumper for this.
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I DON"T agree with secure boot, I know from what I have read about it that it is lilke safety feature for normal users.. ( and they outnumber us majorly ) but I want an option in there somewhere which lets me do whatever I want to do !!

and as for way out, maybe there will be a bootcamp thing that lets you install another OS..
as MS has been adding apple like features in many of its products..
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They are going back that road sad shit.. they never seem to learn.
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did you even installed the developers preview???
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Linux Aus may have a case on Win 8: ACCC - Business - News - ZDNet Australia
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Re: Linux Red Hat Engineers Go on Jihad Against Windows 8 Certified Secure Boot

Its simple - no manufacturer would be willing to alienate any OS. It should be generic. We do not want to go into an Apple type scenario. Windows because popular because it broke away the link of Hardware+Software. Now its trying to unify both.

The very fact that Microsoft is doing this shows that Linux is giving it heat. So manufacturers will not comply. Microsoft may not make money if Linux is installed, but hardware manufacturers will many money in any case.
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