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[TheOtherGuy]

Originally Posted by Hitesh The Idea of originality here in India is bogus. The only deserving countries for such a statement are Japan, Germany and China as they are the ones who develop the technology to power this world. Countries like US, UK and India are just a big consumer lot (US though wanting to maintain it supremo status develops its own defense).

don't be an absolute hater,.

You're saying like this will magically happen. First of all we'll be borrowing technology from other countries, so we cannot be cheaper than their prices. Also the concept of mass producing and making items cheaper concept won't work here as this kind of connection will require a lot of high quality fiber lines which we don't have and again we will be sourcing them. Plus providing the masses here with a connection with 200 GB limit will never be cheap as the amount of International data traffic from India will increase so much (hardly anything is hosted here) that the Gov't simply cannot afford it.

I dunno what you are talking about tbh,lol.

The main reason why broadband revolution hasn't really begun in India is cus of its vast size.Now dont come and say US is bigger, not all the parts of US has good internet connectivity.So in short smaller European countries and japan have it easier, and not to forget a large proportion of population subscribes so that helps in mitigating the costs.

We have all the tech, its not like building rockets tbh, fiber optics work on simple principles.Though I agree about the data traffic thingy, hardly that can be done anything about in the short run, that'll take years.

I, for one, is quite happy with the broadband scenario in India, pretty much.Its good to know I have the same internet connection, sitting in major cities as some bloke sitting in a remote village.And I like the slow but steady progress, prices are coming down slowly.

[stonedsurd]

Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy Its good to know I have the same internet connection, sitting in major cities as some bloke sitting in a remote village.And I like the slow but steady progress, prices are coming down slowly.

Which India do you live in?

[Aumkar]

^ Maybe he assumes Navi Mumbai is a remote village.

[manu1991]

Originally Posted by Hitesh The Idea of originality here in India is bogus. The only deserving countries for such a statement are Japan, Germany and China as they are the ones who develop the technology to power this world. Countries like US, UK and India are just a big consumer lot (US though wanting to maintain it supremo status develops its own defense).

Wow , just throwing random statements like "Countries like US, UK and India are just a big consumer lot" . Do you even know that the Internet itself originated in the US . I guess not. Please dont spread FUD.

[Aumkar]

^ Dude, youre not quite getting what Hitesh was getting at. Sure internet originated in the US, but what exactly is manufactured there..? While the internet may have started there, the tech was always available from Asia. They just found a means to use it. And it spread like a wildfire in Cali.

Relax anyway.

Both TheOtherGuy and Hitesh were trying to prove points in their own sense. Nothing to get your panties all up in a bunch about. And when I say "your" I mean everyone who's going to respond to this thread.

Have fun kthxbai.

[TheOtherGuy]

Originally Posted by stonedsurd Which India do you live in?

Wherever I am living, thats the point! lol.

[Hitesh]

Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy don't be an absolute hater,. I dunno what you are talking about tbh,lol. The main reason why broadband revolution hasn't really begun in India is cus of its vast size.Now dont come and say US is bigger, not all the parts of US has good internet connectivity.So in short smaller European countries and japan have it easier, and not to forget a large proportion of population subscribes so that helps in mitigating the costs. We have all the tech, its not like building rockets tbh, fiber optics work on simple principles.Though I agree about the data traffic thingy, hardly that can be done anything about in the short run, that'll take years. I, for one, is quite happy with the broadband scenario in India, pretty much.Its good to know I have the same internet connection, sitting in major cities as some bloke sitting in a remote village.And I like the slow but steady progress, prices are coming down slowly.

Sorry I'm not a hater or a pessimist, I'm a just a little practical.

First of all providing fibers are not cheap they're principle's are quite easy but that doesn't have anything to do how much it costs, I remember reading in TOI that a guy registered for a BSNL connection and was refused because BSNL would have to invest 50+ Lakhs to get a connection upto his house which was 10 Kms from the local office. Imagine the investments on a large scale.

Advantages of USA and Japan is that a large portion of data they access is available locally to them. In such a scenario it is very easy for the Govt to upgrade its telephone lines and sell of the excess bandwidth to private players. So its a double whammy for them, they get to provide more users with better telecom services and in turn they get some money off the private hands. Here in India even if Government decides to upgrade its local telecom infrastructure they're won't be significant effect to the Broadband scene. Only way this can be done is if they buy more and more cables which will connect them to major International data centers. Plus accessing data is not free completely, part of our ISP bills goes into paying for that. So internet connectivity is not really a priority for our government and therefore we need not get our hopes high when Japan shifts to 1Gbps or something similar.

If you're happy with current net progress in our country then I dunno why I typed all of this shiz, So I guess you're previous statement about wanting 10Mbps @ 1k was just a mention from your wishlist? If that be the case then I wantz 1Gbps netz @ 100 bux and a free copy of playboy with that.

Originally Posted by manu1991 Wow , just throwing random statements like "Countries like US, UK and India are just a big consumer lot" . Do you even know that the Internet itself originated in the US . I guess not. Please dont spread FUD.

In respect of your "non-random statement" I would also like to make a statement that comes on par with yours. Our great mathematician Aryabhatta invented 0. As we are living in the computer age and we know it process' binary language which consists of 0 and 1. Therefore we can conclude that India is responsible for half the technological advancement of the world.

Regarding Internet originating in the US, yes they did invent ARPANET to cater to its Department of Defense's needs. This was later transformed into NSFNET which interconnected all the Universities of US. Major commercial companies like IBM joined in to create the ANSNET. This was bought by America Online and taken away from the Govt of US. Many other commercial organization came in and started selling IP address to let their user's host whatever they want. And we can say that Internet was born then. After that US has not had a major role in developing it further unless of course there is a commercial cause behind this like the recent case of Google wanting to provide half a million homes with 100 Mbit connection to make their ChromeOS feasible and formerly Bill Gates promising users large BW with the help of Teledesic to help Microsoft's cause.

[TheOtherGuy]

Originally Posted by Hitesh Sorry I'm not a hater or a pessimist, I'm a just a little practical. First of all providing fibers are not cheap they're principle's are quite easy but that doesn't have anything to do how much it costs, I remember reading in TOI that a guy registered for a BSNL connection and was refused because BSNL would have to invest 50+ Lakhs to get a connection upto his house which was 10 Kms from the local office. Imagine the investments on a large scale. Advantages of USA and Japan is that a large portion of data they access is available locally to them. In such a scenario it is very easy for the Govt to upgrade its telephone lines and sell of the excess bandwidth to private players. So its a double whammy for them, they get to provide more users with better telecom services and in turn they get some money off the private hands. Here in India even if Government decides to upgrade its local telecom infrastructure they're won't be significant effect to the Broadband scene. Only way this can be done is if they buy more and more cables which will connect them to major International data centers. Plus accessing data is not free completely, part of our ISP bills goes into paying for that. So internet connectivity is not really a priority for our government and therefore we need not get our hopes high when Japan shifts to 1Gbps or something similar. If you're happy with current net progress in our country then I dunno why I typed all of this shiz, So I guess you're previous statement about wanting 10Mbps @ 1k was just a mention from your wishlist? If that be the case then I wantz 1Gbps netz @ 100 bux and a free copy of playboy with that.

I'll say it again, even after having so much better infrastructure and 'technology', US Internet scenario is not much better owing to large geographical size, much like India.Its just a matter of time really, and as you said 1gbps BB connections aren't India's top priority.We need more subscriber density for fiber optic cost to be justifiable, and believe me when I say optical fibres aren't expensive, heck they must be even cheaper that your 2wire copper cable when purchased\manufactured in bulk.

If you could provide link to TOI for that 50lakh cost thingy, I would be highly obliged.

And if you read again, I was just saying if they provide higher speed at the same price and data that I am using currently, I owuld be pleased cus then I wouldn't have to keep my PC on 24x7.That has nothing to do with my wishlist and I have concluded that 512kbps(youtube lags to muc on 256kbps,) is more than enough to suffice all basic internet needs tbh(but then again some people want 1gps, they aren't satisfied by 100mbps).Ofc this all is my personal opinion.

[b00gieMan]

You guys just dont understand.. the basic prob is WE ARE IN INDIA! and here our Government is still of the age of our Grandpas! sucking on the ass of "Hamaari Sabhyata aur Parampara" ...MY ####ING FOOT! I'll explain the whole scenario in a simple example.

We = Small Kids wanting some good toy or thing
Government = Our Dads always neglecting and not getting us that thing / toy we are crying for coz "They think its not Important"!

Now here goes, u using your computer, u feel that u need to have a bigger capacity HDD and you ask your dad for the money and he simply neglects it thinking that its yet another "useless kharcha" for the damn computer..but he wont really understand why u crying for bigger hdd!

Samething goes for our Bandwidth scenario 2day. Government can do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING 2day to get this frigging Bandwidth working but they wont! They'll spend useless Thousands of Crores in some stupid project (which is not at all needed at the 1st place) and out of that all money goes to useless politicians and the project goes to gutter.. and goes on the same way!

[Hitesh]

Originally Posted by TheOtherGuy I'll say it again, even after having so much better infrastructure and 'technology', US Internet scenario is not much better owing to large geographical size, much like India.Its just a matter of time really, and as you said 1gbps BB connections aren't India's top priority.We need more subscriber density for fiber optic cost to be justifiable, and believe me when I say optical fibres aren't expensive, heck they must be even cheaper that your 2wire copper cable when purchased\manufactured in bulk. If you could provide link to TOI for that 50lakh cost thingy, I would be highly obliged. And if you read again, I was just saying if they provide higher speed at the same price and data that I am using currently, I owuld be pleased cus then I wouldn't have to keep my PC on 24x7.That has nothing to do with my wishlist and I have concluded that 512kbps(youtube lags to muc on 256kbps,) is more than enough to suffice all basic internet needs tbh(but then again some people want 1gps, they aren't satisfied by 100mbps).Ofc this all is my personal opinion.

Like I said earlier if you're happy, I'm not gonna be the one to bring you down. My posts are only a reaction towards the people's interpretation of the broadband scene on our country and in your case the 10 Mbps @ 1k. Also if you're talking about going into facts and quoting sources then I'm sorry I just cannot, though if I remembered a link or could Google it I would surely provide it. Cause I read tons of stuff and would be hard to recall exact sources.

Now I see a lot that people tend to debate purely on the basis of picking flaws from another person comments. I do understand its quite easy to do and even I indulge in that but you need to have some kind of fact or atleast a logic behind it to push forward your case. Like, If you think US owing to its large size is not doing very good in the BB scenario then how come India is expected to do so? I mean if fiber is cheap when mass produced why isn't it implemented there? They surely have a lot more buying power than us. Even if fibers are cheaper than eclairs for a unit length it will still require a large investment.

Also please go above my posts again I think you have missed out the point where I said govt will upgrade telecom sector, which in turn helps the BB scene as people get interconnected to data centre's with better lines and its easier for ISP to provide cheap and fast net. But repeating this again we do not have any major data centre's here so its not much of a help. I really don't know if you have a basic idea of the Internet Infrastructure but I would suggest googling, wiki, howstuffworks to find out more and equip yourself with that knowledge. Google "Russ Haynal" and goto his site to find more about our Internet backbone and who's handling them.

Just a final note from me incase anybody is wondering. In the near future atleast we will be behind in BB usage when compared to countries like Japan, baltic countries and even USA due to various factors. And even if you expect our Govt to clean up its act and actually start to work for the people then also it won't be very feasible to bring us on par with the countries mentioned previously.

/signing off this thread cause I'm just saying the same thing over and over again.

[b00gieMan]

^ Things have to change.. we cant "Always" be like Buying things from different country in all terms and all matters! We gotta have something of our onw too (no am not saying we dont own nething.. but come on we need to own some of the major things that are resposible for bigger infrastructures, etc).. More than 60% of INdian income is from US and other countries.. where u think are we really 2day! Anyway, its all running around a tree.. things arent gonna change unless our stupid old ass politicians are kicked out and things are changed. Onething or the other it all comes to our government.

[TheOtherGuy]

Originally Posted by Hitesh Like I said earlier if you're happy, I'm not gonna be the one to bring you down. My posts are only a reaction towards the people's interpretation of the broadband scene on our country and in your case the 10 Mbps @ 1k. Also if you're talking about going into facts and quoting sources then I'm sorry I just cannot, though if I remembered a link or could Google it I would surely provide it. Cause I read tons of stuff and would be hard to recall exact sources. Now I see a lot that people tend to debate purely on the basis of picking flaws from another person comments. I do understand its quite easy to do and even I indulge in that but you need to have some kind of fact or atleast a logic behind it to push forward your case. Like, If you think US owing to its large size is not doing very good in the BB scenario then how come India is expected to do so? I mean if fiber is cheap when mass produced why isn't it implemented there? They surely have a lot more buying power than us. Even if fibers are cheaper than eclairs for a unit length it will still require a large investment. Also please go above my posts again I think you have missed out the point where I said govt will upgrade telecom sector, which in turn helps the BB scene as people get interconnected to data centre's with better lines and its easier for ISP to provide cheap and fast net. But repeating this again we do not have any major data centre's here so its not much of a help. I really don't know if you have a basic idea of the Internet Infrastructure but I would suggest googling, wiki, howstuffworks to find out more and equip yourself with that knowledge. Google "Russ Haynal" and goto his site to find more about our Internet backbone and who's handling them. Just a final note from me incase anybody is wondering. In the near future atleast we will be behind in BB usage when compared to countries like Japan, baltic countries and even USA due to various factors. And even if you expect our Govt to clean up its act and actually start to work for the people then also it won't be very feasible to bring us on par with the countries mentioned previously. /signing off this thread cause I'm just saying the same thing over and over again.

I expect a certain sense of respect in return when I am replying sensibly.

Secondly, I am suprised at your lack of understanding of basic economics.Oh wait you are a typical closet revolutionary, way to go my friend.

I really don't know if you have a basic idea of the Internet Infrastructure but I would suggest googling, wiki, howstuffworks to find out more and equip yourself with that knowledge

I am an engineer in telecommunication networks, so in fact I do have ample knowledge from your telephone networks to computer networking and then some more.


I am really disappointed at these childish responses, India is proud of you.I, for one, is really proud of my country, however bad you make it seems like.You really can't expect our government to spend billions so that you guys can download your LOST episodes faster when that guy outside your house has nothing to eat.

[Free Radical]

the current adsl2+ network is completely capable of 20mbps speeds within a reasonable distance.

Infact I enjoyed 20mbps speeds for a couple of months, due to an error on the isp's side.
The fibre optic thingy is a lame excuse. They can easily offer better plans. I am pretty satisfied with my 2mbps connections. I barely have storage space to keep up with 2mbps.
I am happy living in India without worrying about big brother watching fwiw.

[manu1991]

With the poorly laid out lines with high attenuations and low SNR margins in most areas, i doubt high speed ADSL2+ is practically feasible.