nVidia: Batman: Arkham Asylum Enables AA Only on NVIDIA Hardware on PCs

[Cyn1c]

[thebanik]

Originally Posted by Cyn1c The PR statement is more or less true. Nothing can or could've stopped AMD from approaching the developers to optimize the game for their cards. Nvidia just did it first so AMD's crying foul. These rivalries are actually healthy for the end-user. With Nvidia throwing taunts at AMD with their PhysX on a $129.00 card, it's only natural.

What?????? Man, this is not at all healthy, Imagine ATI saying no DirectX 11 feature for Nvidia cards for Dirt 2 which we are sponsoring.....

@jinu, AMD wont be able to sue because the game developers are with Nvidia on this, so they will simply say that they didnt test the feature on ATI cards or there was a bug with AA on ATI cards hence had to disable it.......

[Cyn1c]

Don't you see what they're doing banik? Exclusivity is gaining importance. The reason why it is healthy for the end user because after all, it might just help the end user do away with the 'I want which card confusion' for good. That's why, I called it a natural reaction. Nvidia's biggest weapon is PhysX and ATi's Eyefinity has them worried. That's why, you see such responses from Nvidia's camp:

“The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.”

Are you saying ATi won't pitch in for games that would be eyefinity exclusive? Maybe the Greens saw it coming and thought if it has to go down, why not this way!

[wingzero]

^^Agreed on physX part but wt about disabling AA on particular game even tho the card supports it. Next u buy an nvidia card capable of Doing extra ordinary stuff....and then Ati plays tricks pays developers and the application doesnt run if nvidia card is detected?.... here we talk of only gpu's what if the rest of pc components. Exclusivity isn't beneficial either.

[thebanik]

Originally Posted by Cyn1c Don't you see what they're doing banik? Exclusivity is gaining importance. The reason why it is healthy for the end user because after all, it might just help the end user do away with the 'I want which card confusion' for good. That's why, I called it a natural reaction. Nvidia's biggest weapon is PhysX and ATi's Eyefinity has them worried. That's why, you see such responses from Nvidia's camp: “The gaming world has moved to dynamic realism, which depicts actual physical movement more realistically than ever before. For example, the No. 1 PC game coming out next week is ‘Batman: Arkham Assyum,’ which takes advantage of graphics plus physics to give it extraordinary realism. Because we support GPU-accelerated physics, our $129 card that’s shipping today is faster than their new RV870 (code name for new AMD chips) that sells for $399.” Are you saying ATi won't pitch in for games that would be eyefinity exclusive? Maybe the Greens saw it coming and thought if it has to go down, why not this way!

Man what you are supporting is dirty tactics by corporates,

You need to understand it has got nothing to do with Physx. Its fine that Physx dont work on ATI since thats a Nvidia specific feature but AA is a standard feature of Direct X api, and Nvidia is simply asking developers to remove ingame AA support for ATI cards. Though users/reviewers can force AA from CCC, if this would not have come out in the open then reviewers would have simply forced AA from outside and ATI cards would have got a huge performance hit which would have made novice users believe that see even Nvidia's previous generation cards can stand up to ATI's new generation cards in a few games......

[Cyn1c]

Arkhan Asylum Joker content is exclusive to PS3. Do PS3 owners care about whether their X360 counterparts got the same content? I don't hear you guys complaining about that! Microsoft paid $50 million to get exclusive DLC (downloadable content) for GTA IV! Dude, that's just how it works.

Eidos announced an exclusive chapter for Tomb Raider : Underworld. Fallout 3 also obtained 5 DLCs on PC and Xbox 360 while PS3 is still waiting for its first one! Would you call that unfair too?

Originally Posted by wingzero ^^Agreed on physX part but wt about disabling AA on particular game even tho the card supports it. Next u buy an nvidia card capable of Doing extra ordinary stuff....and then Ati plays tricks pays developers and the application doesnt run if nvidia card is detected?.... here we talk of only gpu's what if the rest of pc components. Exclusivity isn't beneficial either.

I'd call that settling the scores. Rest of PC components? Are you sure you kept a close eye on Intel and Nvidia's tiff? Why's there a cGPU out in the first place with native support for C++ and OpenCL? Because it's a reply to intel that we can threaten your territory while handling AMD with the same stick.

[Cyn1c]

I'm not supporting dirty tactics. I'm simply saying that it's naive of us if we think AMD wouldn't have gone for the kill if it had thought about it.

Originally Posted by thebanik Man what you are supporting is dirty tactics by corporates, You need to understand it has got nothing to do with Physx. Its fine that Physx dont work on ATI since thats a Nvidia specific feature but AA is a standard feature of Direct X api, and Nvidia is simply asking developers to remove ingame AA support for ATI cards. Though users/reviewers can force AA from CCC, if this would not have come out in the open then reviewers would have simply forced AA from outside and ATI cards would have got a huge performance hit which would have made novice users believe that see even Nvidia's previous generation cards can stand up to ATI's new generation cards in a few games......

[thebanik]

Originally Posted by Cyn1c Arkhan Asylum Joker content is exclusive to PS3. Do PS3 owners care about whether their X360 counterparts got the same content? I don't hear you guys complaining about that! Microsoft paid $50 million to get exclusive DLC (downloadable content) for GTA IV! Dude, that's just how it works. Eidos announced an exclusive chapter for Tomb Raider : Underworld. Fallout 3 also obtained 5 DLCs on PC and Xbox 360 while PS3 is still waiting for its first one! Would you call that unfair too? I'd call that settling the scores. Rest of PC components? Are you sure you kept a close eye on Intel and Nvidia's tiff? Why's there a cGPU out in the first place with native support for C++ and OpenCL? Because it's a reply to intel that we can threaten your territory while handling AMD with the same stick.

Microsoft Paid to add extra contents, but here Nvidia is paying to remove standard features for its competitor, completely wrong example.......I think its futile to make you understand, I guess according to you its perfectly fine if a few years down the line you start getting Games that run only on either Nvidia Cards or ATI cards....Or maybe applications that run only on Intel setup and not AMD setup....Way to go, right??? Screw standardization......

[thebanik]

Originally Posted by Cyn1c I'm not supporting dirty tactics. I'm simply saying that it's naive of us if we think AMD wouldn't have gone for the kill if it had thought about it.

Though by no means AMD is a saint, but AMD is more for open source, hence I dont think they would gone with the same tactics........

[Cyn1c]

Originally Posted by thebanik Microsoft Paid to add extra contents, but here Nvidia is paying to remove standard features for its competitor, completely wrong example.......I think its futile to make you understand, I guess according to you its perfectly fine if a few years down the line you start getting Games that run only on either Nvidia Cards or ATI cards....Or maybe applications that run only on Intel setup and not AMD setup....Way to go, right??? Screw standardization......

Banik, spend $400 on a console, play the same game but be devoid of DLC that another console just got after paying the same price for the game! Would that not irritate you as an end user? Where's the standardization then?

I can uderstand the base argument that AA is something very basic to each game and removing it is just ridiculous and absurd. But to AMD and Nvidia, these are nothing more than business deals. They're in it to make $ and if a move gives them exclusivity, they won't let it pass. You're thinking of ATi as some kinda savior when they're just another enterprise who makes profit by the same means. It is not unethical because the developer sold out! How can you blame the buyer?

[Shikhar8888]

Nvidia won't do a Teresa on Amd if they are funding a game especially since the green brigade has been taking a lot of hits in the past year.

[overkill]

I've got a 9800Gt..
Now AA runs fine.. but the physx.. even though active in the nvidia control panel looks nothing like the video up on youtube.
Anyone know whats the deal here?

[Cyn1c]

Originally Posted by overkill I've got a 9800Gt.. Now AA runs fine.. but the physx.. even though active in the nvidia control panel looks nothing like the video up on youtube. Anyone know whats the deal here?

The game needs to be optimized for PhysX as well. For instance, Batman Arkhan Asylum's PC launch was delayed to 15th September to get PhysX added to it.

Basically, what you see in each game is pre-programmed. It's all scripted and results in the same behavior. For instance, a shot to the head from close range will make the enemy always fall in the same way or in the same direction. This kinda makes the game environment monotonous.

PhysX is to add realism to the game that's optimized for it. Your actions will result in change to the environment. For instance, during a storm in the game, you might notice ambient effects but in essence, everything else is static and scripted. Think of PhysX as mimicking the actual storm. Trees will fall, glass windows will break and certain effects will be there in the game that emulate the real storm.

[wingzero]

Buddy u talking of game contents there are several titles exclusive to ps3 and xbox 360 to pc users. The whole scheme is different.

here you are talking of a gaming title DLC which when you bought the console didn't even existed, nor the title or the game i presume. Whereas in the case of disabling AA...Its a standard feature to be appended on all games supporting it, when the card was bought.

I dont think AMD would have taken a step like this heck on contrary they announced the open physics
AMD Announces Open Physics Initiative for New Levels of Realism to Gaming, Simulation

"Pixelux wants ensure that our technology can take advantage of the computing resources that any particular hardware platform offers without locking in our users to any single platform,” said Mitchell Bunnell, CEO of Pixelux. “By working with AMD to run our software in OpenCL we stay true to that goal.”

And here we have Nvidia making statements mentioning deliberately about "Batman Arkham asylum" and their 129$ outperforming ATi's 399$ card.

[wingzero]

Originally Posted by overkill I've got a 9800Gt.. Now AA runs fine.. but the physx.. even though active in the nvidia control panel looks nothing like the video up on youtube. Anyone know whats the deal here?

iirc there's a patch released for enabling gpu phsyx

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http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...hysx/Download/