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well if one looks at it this way.... first it was Nokia v/s SE and vice versa; going at each other. Each trying to outdo the others weakspot in features yet do nothing to improve their own weakness.

SE's user interface isnt exactly "user friendly, universal" as the popular choice Nokia yet SE didnt bother to do anything about it.. They went after the camera and flash stakes. Nokia? They sorely lacked in the imaging department and never really got the better of Sony's stakes in Imaging and Music still they got into a race to outdo SE with imaging and flash etc but refused to work on improving their music offering or media players capabilities. OS speed and stability were still issues. Then came the controversy over refusing to develop software versions of Symbian Feature Packs for older models or phones which were still being sold but didnt support the latest FP's. So for eg n80/n73 users didnt get the benefit of the latest FP's that were developed by Nokia after their launch. etc.

And both these chaps were guilty of "confusion politics"; releasing a bunch of phones by adding a feature here, removing a feature there and God alone knows how many weird designs of the keypad etc.. GPS was the next thing they tried to milk.

All the while SE didnt get much better with their OS and Nokia didnt raise the bar with their performance either.

Then along comes Apple with just one phone. ONE PHONE. And it had both Nokia and SE by their blindspot. Ease of use and brilliant software. Sure they did leave out a few of the features that even i would argue are "basic" or "utilitarian" by todays standards, still the reason it's such a marvel is cos it didnt get into the race. It ran on another racetrack altogether. A race track the other players suddenly jumped into trying to beat it.

Its prolly like the difference of thinking from inside the box and thinking from outside the box. Almost every phone thats launched now whats to claim to be an "iphone killer" why? If the iphones not so great then why compete against it so much? why bash it? why try and claim to better it? If something is obviously superior you dont need to proclaim it. You'd only do so if you're feeling the pinch, the pain, the hurt of something else thats much better than what you have to offer in areas that you aint good enough in.

Infact what one could argue as a valid base is that straight out of the box, the iphone doesnt weigh a lot feature for feature against the standards excelled in by other phones. But what the iphone has going for it, is the sheer ability to customise it to hell and beyond and the vast addons/adaptability and compatibility with technological developments and hardware in an open ended potential. That is something no 1 particular model of nokia/SE can do.

Applications (software) and Applications of (use of software/iphone to other purposes and tasks) the iphone is what makes it unbeatable. It aint only the touch.

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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

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^^ you're missing the point ... im not being rhetoric ....

The point that everyone misses out ... is the fact that in all these phones ... people had to come down to the keypad somewhere or the other to accomplish a task.... and thats not teh case in the iPhone .... this is the simple reason why everyone else is still trying to mimic the iPhone's UI

handwriting recognition is something that i admire in HTC phones ... not just that ... the way it always captures everything ... no matter how bad your handwriting is.

I know touchpads and screens have been there ... the P9X series and the O2 phones have lived their era of hype ... but still ... right now ... they are trying to mimic the iPhone
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

I wanted to write that but I missed that knowingly that you'd get back to me saying that iphone doesn't even have keypad.

Well I am stating it now. I do not use my keypad and I have seldom used it. One for I never felt the need to press the buttons (everything that my phone can do, can be done via touch interface) and second that my phone keypad *****.

But thats not the point. I wanted to tell you that touch interface is not Iphone exclusive. And my phone covers at least 90% of features iphone has and have features which even Iphone 3G doesn't have and I paid much less for it, that too being at least a year older than the iphone.

The idea is how much value are you getting for the price you pay. To me my phone is way more than a phone and I am proud of the fact that I know how to use it.

I like aditya for being able to make intelligent use of his phone and not blatantly beat about his possesion just for the sake of it. At least he is not amongst the 80% of those who buy iphone jsut to show others that they can afford it. Na I am not saying he is not boasting about it, but at least he knows what his phone can do and what he can't.
But at the same time I would appreciate him being respectful to other people's choice and selection. ANd I definitely do not welcome his arrogance.

Why bother man ?
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

I would surely have liked to say a few things but I wont react to the flame comments by Ad1tya.

Anyway he has a right to his opinions and I have to mine. Lets just agree to disagree.
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

Yupp everything has its own strength and its own set of weaknesses. Why bother ?

To me, iphone doesn't solve my purpose and me paying for it wont do me any good. I haven't changed my phone since last two years and I am still happy with it. I dont say mine is the best nor do I say Iphone or any other phone is a rut. I only want to make a point that at least Iphone is not a GOD. Its good but not really better.
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

ROFL @ all the posts.. especially Adi's .. Dun wanna indulge in the arguments here.. but for me the iphone isnt worth 38k for the lack of features. Paying 38k for a phone without so many features is worthless. Oh btw adi as ive told u before.. for u its like any feature missing in the iPhone is worthless and any feature in the iPhone = GODLIKE . Lol'ed a lot when i saw ur comment on the cam of 5800 vs iphone comments.. to be more precise.. "WOOHOOO!!
The 5800 is better than the Canon 450D as well then!". hmm.. so u can expect a similar response when u talk about how the iphone music quality is sooooo gr8 ... also u say 25 grams isnt too much of a diff?? well when u compare it in this case it is 25% heavier than the 5800.. so YES!!! it is a hell of a diff. Im sure ull be the first to jump up and scream saying... "OMG!!!! IT IS 155 gms!!!!!!!" when the N97 releases . U accuse others to be egg fry fanboi's?? hmm.. ur no diff either.. ur just a Iphone fanboi and a Nokia hater.. simple as that

Anyways my take is the 5800 beats the iPhone easily based on the price and the features it offers for the price.
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

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Anyway he has a right to his opinions and I have to mine. Lets just agree to disagree.
Thats a surprising change in you.

Normally your right there to shove your opinions into other peoples faces, and you wont stop until they agree with you.

Wow. I cant believe my eyes.

@ Sushant, Arrogance?...
Yes, Im pretty arrogant.
But right now, im downright rude, because almost 90% of the people in this thread, dont know what the iPhone is capable of.
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

I use a SE K500i, so I'll just sit back with my crispies and enjoy the show.
Cmon guys, raise the atmosphere!!Fight!!
Ad1, iPhone really revolutionized the touch screen thingy and now Nokia is trying to copy it, but the basic lack of features on the iPhoneprevent it from being called the perfect phone or a phone with revolutionized phones.25 grams makes a lot of difference when the thing is carried in a pocket and not in a car , no?Also, no A2DP suxx. And no I am not going to buy any expensive fone after I lost my N73ME, IMO they are a waste of time, money and space. I'd rather get a PSP .

Anyways, guys please keep on fighting, its entertaining .

IMO the fone that revolutionized fones was the Nokia 1100, a phone with a torch light, now thats genius!
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Im representing people with free minds and ability to think rajapraveen.

So yes, my comments are a bit more general.

FYI, OP = Original Post / Original Poster (FYI = For your Information )

Im not Steve Jobs. If I was him, I wouldnt be arguing with you about anything. Im not a CEO. Im not going to be politically correct, or diplomatic like a CEO should be. Im frank and I speak my mind. Hence you WILL find my posts quite blunt and sometimes quite rude.

I was commenting on what Maxxy was saying about the iPhones Touch Screen. Can you not see the quote above what I said? Wear a pair of glasses.

Glad that your using the outdated WinMo OS on the O2 now. No wonder you find the 5800's OS and UI refreshing and new. Lol.
Now I get where your comments about the 5800's Symbian OS and UI came from. Lmao.

nah... u aint making genreal comments!!! and u aint representing people with free minds but, you are representing a particular group of fanboi's.

now where did i tell you that my O2 has windows mobile OS ? did i tell u in ur dreams? .. dont say something which you are not aware of or you dont have a clue about.

and you are contuning to make comments abt UI without knowing anything abt what i have used in the past or what i am using currently.


its simple... you endorse and praise each and every brand's stuff that you own to the level that you say those are theeee best.think about it.my comment to another person to which you replied so who forgot wear the glasses again!

guess its useless for me to argue with you ...may be i will if you dont own an iphone but, for now i will let bart do all the talking to you!


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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

Aditya, iI would surely like a discussion but the language you are using here is inappropriate which is why I dont want to continue with this talk here.

I haven't ever called you and wont be calling you "egg fry", "lame" ,"Idiot", etc etc....because thats not the way I talk to people.

Under these circumstances its best that I stay away from a argument with you. However if you choose to argue without the hyperbole and the unneeded compliments then it would be a pleasure talking to you.
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Lol. I dont preach about products I own.

There are lots of products I dont known that are very good / the best, and I acknowledge that.

Comparing a mediocre device ala 5800 to the iPhone/iPhone 3G is just juvenile.

Also again, you dont have even half the knowledge that I have about the iPhone, so you have no idea what its capable of, and what its not.

Also, I preach the products I own, because I only buy the best . Which im sure you cant claim. The European brands fanboi that you are.
No wonder you like Nokia so much.

@ Vijay, you would be the last person I would want to even TALK to, forgot argue with. I think ive made that very clear to you over Gtalk. Your the open minded equivalent of a rock. You set your mind to one thing, and dont bother even listening to anyone/anything else.
You think that your opinion is the only one that is correct and that every1 else should think like you.

Thus, your "Agree to Disagree" came as a shock and a pleasant surprise to me. Quite a shocking surprise actually.
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Lol.

Another egg fry post.

This must be the most egg fry points ever.

no support for third party headphones? Which egg fry wrote that?.. Ive even used Sennheiser PC350's on my iPhone 3G.

applications?.. Missing??.
Has this RETARD even heard of the AppStore?.. Its the iPhones BIGGEST strenght.


Retard.

There are atleast 4 apps on the AppStore which allow me to have Voice Dialing, and they always work. Until the buggy Nokia method. (Theres a free app too, for your ***hahahahahahahahaha with no money)


But, I really don't know whos egg fry enough to enjoy the Indian Radio. Maybe you are Vijay.

Again, the most egg fry **** EVER.




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IMO, The 5800 is the iPhone for the poor. Well, atleast for the not-as-well-to-do. /no offence.
It does some things better, but the major thing, nowhere as close.
i love the way u say 'egg fry' !!

And ur posts are nice! i totally respect u for the fact that u stand up for what u believe in!!


But i guess a lot of ppl would disagree!! iphone may be godlike and all! but its all a matter of personal preference!!

Its not like all broke ppl buy nokias and all uber rich guys buy iphones and all!!

Don't get me wrong! i respect iphone and ur point of view on it! but in the end nokia by default supports a lot more features than iphone3g(default) (not many ppl know of modding and apps from apple store etc. like u! )

Its just that a person wants a phone that fulfills his basic needs (like msging, photos, web browsing etc.) and most of them are not like u! they want their phones to work right out of the box!! Nokia fulfills all those needs BY DEFAULT! as in, right out of the box!

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Lol. I dont preach about products I own.

There are lots of products I dont known that are very good / the best, and I acknowledge that.

Comparing a mediocre device ala 5800 to the iPhone/iPhone 3G is just juvenile.

Also again, you dont have even half the knowledge that I have about the iPhone, so you have no idea what its capable of, and what its not.

Also, I preach the products I own, because I only buy the best . Which im sure you cant claim. The European brands fanboi that you are.
No wonder you like Nokia so much.

@ Vijay, you would be the last person I would want to even TALK to, forgot argue with. I think ive made that very clear to you over Gtalk. Your the open minded equivalent of a rock. You set your mind to one thing, and dont bother even listening to anyone/anything else.
You think that your opinion is the only one that is correct and that every1 else should think like you.

Thus, your "Agree to Disagree" came as a shock and a pleasant surprise to me. Quite a shocking surprise actually.

a lot of the product you own are very good,the best,u buy the best ,first you say u dont preach then u say that u preach.. now thats fanboi speech.

see you buy the best and or what ever u said is just according to you!! this is where u forget to understand that your personal opinion would only count for you!!

you are sure that i cant claim what? back off from making those statements..... you dont have the damn clue on what i have or what i am gonna buy so dont ever talk about that .

i dont know much about iphone as you cause i considerd it as sh*t so i didnt bother to.but, you must be knowing a hell lot about 5800 since u called it a mediocre phone... yeah right!!!
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Yes, I do know a hell lot about it, because my friend has had one for the better part of 2 weeks now.

So yes, shut YOUR yapper, without any knowledge.

Atleast I talk from experience.

You talk from pure brand name and fanboism.
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Re: 21 Reasons Why Nokia 5800 is better than Apple Iphone

I don't know anything about phones but 2 of my *tech* friends have decided to get Nokia 5800.
I told them to try iphone also and they laughed at me

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